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		<title>By: RG</title>
		<link>http://www.officepolitics.com/advice/?p=315&#038;cpage=1#comment-47867</link>
		<dc:creator>RG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a lawyer, but I experienced the same sort of thing.  I think outsiders (not my boss) saw my growth faster than he did.  I don&#039;t think he wanted to admit that I picked things up as fast as I did, or he wanted the job to be more deep/ complicated than it is.  He was also a perfectionist without having a clear idea of what perfection IS, so there was no way for me to know ahead of time.  I.e. he had unique &quot;stylistic issues&quot; which were sometimes not any more &quot;right&quot; and were occasionally wrong than my phrasing/ spelling.   Winning his trust would have been a matter of putting the time (and the ego massaging) that others didn&#039;t need.  I vote: run away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, but I experienced the same sort of thing.  I think outsiders (not my boss) saw my growth faster than he did.  I don&#8217;t think he wanted to admit that I picked things up as fast as I did, or he wanted the job to be more deep/ complicated than it is.  He was also a perfectionist without having a clear idea of what perfection IS, so there was no way for me to know ahead of time.  I.e. he had unique &#8220;stylistic issues&#8221; which were sometimes not any more &#8220;right&#8221; and were occasionally wrong than my phrasing/ spelling.   Winning his trust would have been a matter of putting the time (and the ego massaging) that others didn&#8217;t need.  I vote: run away.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an attorney and would like to contribute to this piece.  This new attorney should recognize that although she passed the bar and have been to law school, she would have to to earn the confidence of the partners and clients.  This generally takes about 5-7 years, which is why the partnership track is that long at most firms.  You can&#039;t expect to be exposed to large corporate clients right out of law school, especially at bigger firms (unless you are dealing with the general public as your client).  You have to put in your time and learn the practice of law before you are trusted to handle bigger things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an attorney and would like to contribute to this piece.  This new attorney should recognize that although she passed the bar and have been to law school, she would have to to earn the confidence of the partners and clients.  This generally takes about 5-7 years, which is why the partnership track is that long at most firms.  You can&#8217;t expect to be exposed to large corporate clients right out of law school, especially at bigger firms (unless you are dealing with the general public as your client).  You have to put in your time and learn the practice of law before you are trusted to handle bigger things.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene Sugar</title>
		<link>http://www.officepolitics.com/advice/?p=315&#038;cpage=1#comment-34109</link>
		<dc:creator>Rene Sugar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a not so positive scenario, she could have already made a judgment about the junior employee and be engaging in her own attempt at constructive discharge precisely for the same high quality standards you mention. She could have decided the junior employee is unworthy and is trying to make her quit.

Since the employee is a lawyer, she could document each menial task given, the date it was assigned, and the amount of time it took to build a case for suing for constructive discharge if necessary.

One way to combat this is to increase your visibility with the other partners so they know you do good work as someone previously mentioned. They will then be less likely to go along if your boss tries to convince them that you have got to go.

Get the menial tasks done as quickly as possible and volunteer to do extra work for the other partners.

I would not say anything negative about your boss to anyone and just concentrate on doing good work. You cannot be aware of every possible connection in a social network and what you say can get back to the person you are talking about.

People learn by doing. If your job is not challenging, you are losing valuable time for learning that employees in the same company have. With a large part of your day wasted by being forced to do work that does not allow you to learn, you are at a disadvantage.

The situation you are in can turn into a self fulfilling prophecy. Your skills are expected to advance year over year. By wasting so much time on menial work, your skills may not develop as expected by the company especially if you get discouraged.

At that point, your boss could point out that you are not providing enough value to the company and would have a better chance of convincing the other partners that you should be terminated.

I would try to get assigned to a different partner as quickly as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a not so positive scenario, she could have already made a judgment about the junior employee and be engaging in her own attempt at constructive discharge precisely for the same high quality standards you mention. She could have decided the junior employee is unworthy and is trying to make her quit.</p>
<p>Since the employee is a lawyer, she could document each menial task given, the date it was assigned, and the amount of time it took to build a case for suing for constructive discharge if necessary.</p>
<p>One way to combat this is to increase your visibility with the other partners so they know you do good work as someone previously mentioned. They will then be less likely to go along if your boss tries to convince them that you have got to go.</p>
<p>Get the menial tasks done as quickly as possible and volunteer to do extra work for the other partners.</p>
<p>I would not say anything negative about your boss to anyone and just concentrate on doing good work. You cannot be aware of every possible connection in a social network and what you say can get back to the person you are talking about.</p>
<p>People learn by doing. If your job is not challenging, you are losing valuable time for learning that employees in the same company have. With a large part of your day wasted by being forced to do work that does not allow you to learn, you are at a disadvantage.</p>
<p>The situation you are in can turn into a self fulfilling prophecy. Your skills are expected to advance year over year. By wasting so much time on menial work, your skills may not develop as expected by the company especially if you get discouraged.</p>
<p>At that point, your boss could point out that you are not providing enough value to the company and would have a better chance of convincing the other partners that you should be terminated.</p>
<p>I would try to get assigned to a different partner as quickly as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.officepolitics.com/advice/?p=315&#038;cpage=1#comment-33379</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to read the advice given here because I am a very similar position. Both my boss and I have PhDs, but my boss will tell me to do things like &quot;cut and paste the comments&quot;, or &quot;send an e-mail with my project to the client.&quot; In other words, he treats me like his glorified secretary, and also gives me tasks that a monkey could complete.

Anyway, one things has solved the problem (and it looks like the original poster may have the same opportunity) - if other people give you challenging, interesting assignments, take those and try to give something back that really exceeds expectations. Perhaps completed at a very fast pace, or learn the bits and pieces from the pros in your department - whatever you turn in may not only exceed expectations, but the quality of work that colleagues may be turning in. 

I&#039;ve done that and noticed that the supervisors of my boss now give me projects (and have told my boss not to give me any work for the next few weeks--and I am told to do project that they assign me instead). I lalso earn much more from these supervisors as it is -- so for now, I prefer this situation. 

I know my boss will ask me to complete some secretarial task again - don&#039;t know what I will do at that time (and if anyone else has something useful to post that has worked for them - please post).  However, for the short term, this approach works well for me -- at least I get challenging projects/and my schedule re-arranged so that I do not have to work with the guy giving me ridiculous tasks. 

Good luck - I am glad to know that other people are in the same situation at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to read the advice given here because I am a very similar position. Both my boss and I have PhDs, but my boss will tell me to do things like &#8220;cut and paste the comments&#8221;, or &#8220;send an e-mail with my project to the client.&#8221; In other words, he treats me like his glorified secretary, and also gives me tasks that a monkey could complete.</p>
<p>Anyway, one things has solved the problem (and it looks like the original poster may have the same opportunity) &#8211; if other people give you challenging, interesting assignments, take those and try to give something back that really exceeds expectations. Perhaps completed at a very fast pace, or learn the bits and pieces from the pros in your department &#8211; whatever you turn in may not only exceed expectations, but the quality of work that colleagues may be turning in. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done that and noticed that the supervisors of my boss now give me projects (and have told my boss not to give me any work for the next few weeks&#8211;and I am told to do project that they assign me instead). I lalso earn much more from these supervisors as it is &#8212; so for now, I prefer this situation. </p>
<p>I know my boss will ask me to complete some secretarial task again &#8211; don&#8217;t know what I will do at that time (and if anyone else has something useful to post that has worked for them &#8211; please post).  However, for the short term, this approach works well for me &#8212; at least I get challenging projects/and my schedule re-arranged so that I do not have to work with the guy giving me ridiculous tasks. </p>
<p>Good luck &#8211; I am glad to know that other people are in the same situation at least.</p>
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		<title>By: SOB Business Cafe 04-11-08 - Liz Strauss at Successful Blog - Thinking, writing, business ideas . . . You’re only a stranger once.</title>
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		<dc:creator>SOB Business Cafe 04-11-08 - Liz Strauss at Successful Blog - Thinking, writing, business ideas . . . You’re only a stranger once.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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